Tuesday, February 10, 2009

The Gospel of John--Discussion II

Please read Chapters 11-22 of John's gospel.

Your 4th MT study question notes that, while the Gospel of John is in some ways very different from the synoptic gospels, it often complements and suplements the synoptics.

Choose a verse from the assigned chapters and a "parallel" verse from one of the synoptics on the same subject (e.g., money, leadership, faith, etc.). Compare and contrast the two verses.

20 comments:

Jade Cowan said...

John 12:34-36: The crowd answered him, ‘We have heard from the law that the Messiah remains for ever. How can you say that the Son of Man must be lifted up? Who is this Son of Man?’ Jesus said to them, ‘The light is with you for a little longer. Walk while you have the light, so that the darkness may not overtake you. If you walk in the darkness, you do not know where you are going. While you have the light, believe in the light, so that you may become children of light.’ After Jesus had said this, he departed and hid from them.

Luke 18:31-34: Then He took the twelve aside and said to them, “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of Man will be accomplished. For He will be delivered to the Gentiles and will be mocked and insulted and spit upon. They will scourge Him and kill Him. And the third day He will rise again.” But they understood none of these things; this saying was hidden from them, and they did not know the things which were spoken.

I believe both of these passages deal with leadership. Jesus knew what was going to happen to him in Jerusalem, but he still went there. Why? This action shows that Jesus was a utilitarian. By sacrificing himself, he will save everyone. Ultimately, a true leader does the most good for the largest amount people, and this is what Jesus did.

Louis Brown said...

John 21:14-19
Jesus asked Peter three times whether he loved him or not and Peter replied he did. Earlier before his death Jesus told Peter he would deny him three times and hear the cock crow, which when it happened Peter was filled with bitterness at his failure to fulfill his vow to lay down his life for Christ.
The gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke all include this example of the guilt empty promises bring to those who make them but the gospel of John elaborates further on this by highlighting the sense of duty one feels when the promise is reversed.
Instead of making the promise and later neglecting it the duty of Peter called to him; asking him to feed the lambs, tend them, and feed the adult sheep later. To spread the word, establish the church, and ensure its continuation for later generations which Peter accomplished.
Rather than show the example of the guilt of Peter and leave it at that the gospel of John says that behind guilt is responsibility which is much easier to fulfill.

Eric said...

John 20:19-23 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!"...

Luke 24:36-49 While they were still talking about this, Jesus himself, stood among them and said to them, "Peace be with you." They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost. ...

These passages deal with Jesus and him coming to see the disciples after his death. In this story you have a little bit of faith involved. In Luke you have a much longer passage with most of it having Jesus trying to show the disciples that he is real and that what was told would happen to him did. Then he ends with him telling the disciples that he will send them out, but not until they are clothed with power. Now in the book of John this passage is much shorter with it only having Jesus coming and saying "Peace be with you." and him telling of sending them off like the Lord did with him. In John you have the part cut out where the disciples aren't sure if Jesus is really there or if they are just seeing a ghost. Im not really sure why this was left out of the passage in John. Maybe it didn't need to be put in and really the only part that matters is the end when Jesus tells the diciples that he is going to send them out as the Lord did with him, to spread the word.

Eric Bengs

t kenny said...

Matthew 26:9 reads as follows;"For this fragrant oil might have been sold for much and given to the poor."
John 12:5 reads as follows;"Why was this fragrant oil not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor?"
There is a lot more detail about this moment in the book of John than in the book of Matthew. In the book of Matthew the disciples are the ones asking this question. In the the book of John, Judas is asking this question. John also says that Judas didn't care about the poor and would steal from the poor-box. It is obvious that money was the "ruler" of Judas. This is pure speculation but maybe the book of John is an actual eye-witness account.
Has anyone noticed that the book of Matthew does not include Jesus ascending into heaven. Does anyone know why? I ask this because for the third time on this campus I heard an instrucor make a comparison in class to the death of Jesus. His ressurection after death was not mentioned by these instructors. This irritates the tar out of me. Of course tar is bad for the body, so this might be a good thing.

smerkel said...

Sam Merkel

John 21:15-19
It is about when they are at the supper and Jesus asks Peter whether he loves him or not. Jesus then tells Peter that he will deny him three times before he dies, and a cock would crow which would show that it is over. This would leave Peter with the feeling of bitterness because he would feel that he failed to lay his life down for Jesus.

The three gospels of Mark, Luke, and Matthew all mention the same story. In the three gospels they they tend to make it seem more of a sense of duty when things get turned around. In John's gospel he leans more towards the fact that responsibility is much easier to handle than dealing with guilt. I agree with his statement because guilt is a hard feeling to ever get rid of where having responsibility is much easier to live with.

Jenna said...

Mt. 7:26 "But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand."
John 14:24 " He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me."

Both of these talk of faith to God and Jesus. And how they listen or don't to his word. Both send a clear message that refusing to listen is foolish. This is shown in all the gospels.

But the difference is how they are approached. In Mt it is stated clearly to the Jews that you will be made a fool if you don't listen. This is stated in John but with the extra push of the idea that Jesus words are directly from God's mouth. Again it approaches different audiences.

A_Imberi said...

The Last Supper scene is fairly similar in all the Gospels. However, in the Gospel of John (Chapter 14) a mysterious character is introduced and is described as the disciple Jesus loved. He is only mentioned in the Gospel of John, but is mentioned more than once - at the foot of the cross with Jesus' mother, on Easter morning when he enters the empty tomb with Peter and after the Resurrection when he identifies Jesus from the boat. Who is this ‘disciple that Jesus loved’? Is it John, the writer of this Gospel or perhaps another follower of Jesus?

Amanda Imberi

jones said...

I am choosing an entry on faith, but I have gone back into our reading assignment form Tuesday for my blog.

John 6:16-21

And when even was now come, his disciples went down unto the sea – and entered into a ship and went over the sea toward Capernaum. And it was now dark, and Jesus was not come to them. – and the sea arose by reason of a great wind that blew – so when they had rowed about five and twenty or thirty furlongs, they see Jesus walking on the sea, and drawing nigh unto the ship; and they were afraid. – but he saith unto them, It is I; be not afraid.

Matthew 14:22-33

And straightway Jesus constrained his disciples to get into a ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while he sent the multitudes away. – And when he had sent the multitudes away, he went up into a great mountain apart to pray; and when the evening was come, he was there alone. - But the ship was now in the midst of the sea, tossed with waves: for the wind was contrary. – And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea. – And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear. – But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid. - …

Mark 6:45-52

This book has a story that relates as well to the ones above.
I believe that John was telling both new Christians as well as those that don’t believe yet, look at what this man did. It was not walking on water 3 ½ miles from land it was do not be afraid I am with you. This story never talks about how Jesus looked to time to spend with himself it only looks at the truly amazing event that happened. The boat could symbolize our fears that they are small like a calm river at times but they can grow and over-power us at any moment.

In Matthew the story starts how the disciples entered a boat as Jesus went up in the mountains to reflect. The storm hit and after a few hours Jesus came and rescued them. Mark’s story was quite the same but suggests that the weather is not what scared them it was seeing Jesus actually walking on water which scared them.

In Jesus going to them and calming them shows complete compassion which is what the message in the book of John. Those that believe will have eternal life.

Anonymous said...

Joe Adam

The two chapters that I compared were the chapters about when Jesus rides into Jerusalem. I noticed that there is huge difference in these two versions of this certain part of the bible.

First in Matthew 21:13 Jesus scolds those who are selling in the temple of God and in John Chapter Twelve there is no mentioning it says though that he was greeted with great respect in John chapter 12:13

"Took branches of palm trees and went forth to meet him and cried: Hosanna. Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord, the King of Israel."

bjohnson said...

Brian Johnson

The two passages I chose were John 13: 1-17 and Matthew 23: 1-12.

Both of these verses deal with service, especially who should be doing the service.

The verses in John describe when Jesus washed his disciple's feet. He was making the point that if he (the master) was willing to serve them, then they ought to be willing to serve each other even more.

The verses in Matthew describe how Jesus criticized the Jewish priests for being self-righteous and proud of their position instead of serving their fellow man as they ought to have done.

These verses compliment each other. They both speak of the need for service, however the verses in John emphasize the need for everyone to follow Jesus' example, while the verses in Matthew give a warning to those in a position of power, who should be serving others instead of being served.

Joshua Jensen said...

47 And if anyone hears My words and does not believe,[a] I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.

I think this could be link to the parable of the Rich fool...

The message of forgiveness after incredible indignation. I think that both of these messages are similar in that they teach a message of hope to those who think that they will be condemned for what they have done in life. The message is that Jesus wants you to get into heaven and he will do what it takes to get you in there. He didn't come to expel everyone who isn't worthy(which is everyone) he came to make it possible for everyone to have a chance to get to heaven.

Josh Jensen

zaanderson4 said...

Zach Anderson

Matthew 10:24
"A disciple is not above the teacher,nor a slave above his master."

John 13:16
"Truly, truly, I say to you, A slave is not greater than his master, nor one who is sent greater than the one who sends him."

These two passages are very similar in establishing that the slave is not greater than the master. Also, they both establish the hierarchy of things in Matthew Jesus establishes that you must follow him and his teachings. In John he establishes that the message does not come from him but God himself who is greater than Jesus. These both lay out how you must follow the teaching of God because he is the greatest power, and following any thing else is not the way of God.

Anonymous said...

Jon Adam

I chose the verse from John 9:1-7.
The man is blind and Jesus heals him so he is able to see. In this particular instance Jesus directly helps a person that could use his help. This is unlike the other accounts of Jesus healing other people where they had to ask for Jesus's help, like the woman from Cana and the leapers in Matthew Chapter 8.

Tim Baustian said...

I compared the stories of the Last Supper of John and Matthew. What a difference! Matthew focuses on the prayers and the blessings Jesus gave, while John gives all of the dirty stuff--the betrayals as well as other dialogue. This passage serves as a great example of John being a supplementary source of material, as John tells of all the events that you didn't get to hear about so much in the synoptic gospels.

bcnewton said...

Brett Newton

Jesus Feeds Five Thousand

This is a story that all of the gospels have in common. However in John we really begin to see the detail of his story as well as the idea of Jesus not just being a supplier of human need but also the story and idea that he is the bread of life. It goes into great detail of the setting and the event that led up to the breaking of the bread as well as the feeding to the masses.

This isnt explained nearly in the other gospels as it is in John. But it is in all of the gospels because it is so important of a message. It explains why we take receive the body and blood of Christ every Sunday.

Jordan Weisbeck said...

The two verses I chose were when Jesus was brought to Pilate for conviction. Mark 15: 2-5 and John 19: 3- 6
Mark says " Pilate questioned him, " are you the king of the Jews?' He said to him in reply, "you say so." The chief priests accused him of many things. Again Pilate questioned him, "have you no answer? See how many things they accuse you of." Jesus gave him no further answer, so that Pilate was amazed."

John says: "And they came to him and said, "Hail, King of the Jews!" and they struck him repeatedly. Once more Pilate went out and said to them, Look, I am bringing him out to you, so that you may know that I find no guilt in him. So Jesus came out, wearing the crown of thorns and the purple cloak. And he said to them "behold, the man!"

I think that John puts it best in his passage because he gives very descriptive explanation as to what Pilate was doing to Jesus. Pilate found no guilt in Jesus, but he had the crowd so rallied up that they couldn't help themselves but to want to crucify Jesus.

Nick said...

I looked at the version of the Last Supper in Matthew and John and compared them. In Matthew all Jesus does it take the bread and wine and give them to the disciples and tells them what it means and how their sins are forgiven. In John, Jesus goes into a lot of detail about what the disciples should do and how Jesus is the way and life. I think that John complements Matthew a lot because Matthew gives a brief overview of the event while John goes into further detail and explains a lot more.

Adam Kuehl said...

Choose a verse from the assigned chapters and a "parallel" verse from one of the synoptics on the same subject (e.g., money, leadership, faith, etc.). Compare and contrast the two verses.

The two verses I choose to compare were John 13:21-30 and Luke 22:21-23, the verses about the betrayal of Jesus. In Luke it is describe simply as prophecy that Jesus says and he doesn't go in to detail on who it is he just say the person is at the table with them and woe to his betrayer. In John it goes in to greater detail. After he says that he will be betrayed, Simon Peter asks who it is and Jesus tell him that it is the one who I give the morsal to, then he gives it to Judas. I think John goes in to greater detail because if it were written well after the other three gospels, then the story is already known and it can be talked about at greater length and with more detail. In Luke the betrayer is not found out until 22:47. I think that it shows Jesus's devinty to a greater extent in John by telling Judas before it happend.

Anonymous said...

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Matthew 26:47-56 and John 18:1-11.

These are both accounts of Jesus' arrest in Gethsemane. They both have the basics of the arrest, with Judas coming up to Jesus and betraying him with a kiss, but while Matthew focuses more on the fulfillment of OT passages, John focuses on Jesus' divine power and refusal to use it when faced with this, out of love for us. He shows that Jesus knew exactly what was happening and could have gotten away if he wanted. He tells us that when Jesus said "I am he" all the soldiers fell to the ground. This is showing Jesus divine power, but also his love for us because, even though he had this power, he went willingly to die on the cross for us and take away our sins.

John Rawerts

Anonymous said...

Luke 24:36-39

It is told how the disciples, even though they had been told that Jesus would rise from the dead, were disbelieving. They were fearful as though they had seen a spirit. Instead of relying on faith the disciples had to be shown. Jesus said, "Behold it is my hands and feet, that it is I myself: handle me and see; for a spirit have not flesh and bones as ye see me have." Jesus had to remind them of the prophecy that was foretold of his death and resurrection.

John 20:24-29

Jesus having appeared to the other disciples, had seen their faith waiver as they had trouble believing that it was really him and not a spirit or an apparition. Thomas or "Doubting Thomas" did not see Jesus the first time he had appeared to the disciples after his resurrection. Even though the other disciples told him what had happened, he held firm that he would have to see to believe. Jesus already knowing that Thomas was lacking faith said to Thomas, "Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

After all of the miracle that Jesus had performed in the presence of the disciples and after all of the lessons on faith, the disciples still had a lot to learn about faith. Jesus showed them what they should have believed and he gave them the power and the Spirit to help them as they would do his work on Earth.